Have you pulled a “DESPERATION TRIANGULATION” on the narcissist?
Ever found yourself going through someone else just to get a narcissist to listen? That exhausting tactic has a name—desperation triangulation—and it’s more common than you think in narcissistic relationships. In this video, we break down what it is, why it happens, and why it leaves you feeling so conflicted. If you’ve ever twisted yourself into knots just to be heard, this one’s for you.
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This is a great topic. There are so many ways we try to save a relationship before we realize that we never were in a relationship. Partners of NPD are bit actors in the mind of the NPD and the NPD is the Star, Director and this their show and only they matter, not anyone else.
Absolutely this. We are all NPCs with NPDs. Bit players, little pawns, canvasses on which to project. All dehumanizing because they can’t see you as whole human beings bc they can’t see themselves as one.
Yep! Guilty as charged. If I couldn’t make him think HE thought of it first, I’d sell it to his friend. If that didn’t work, I would do the reverse psychology. This would be things that are important, not trivial. Because it’s exhausting! But, he was such an avoider, yet the “leader” and things needed to be decided and executed, but he had to give the “go ahead” first. Exhausting!
I grew up under that crap. Hated it from the day I figured out that’s the only way I will get anything in my life.
…..it is exhausting 😮
I felt myself turning into a narcissist to get things done within the narcissist family context. I just wanted to get things done. Like, the roof is falling in and stuff kind of things done.
It was always hard for me to ask for things as a child, then I had to be sneaky to get basic lower Maslow’s needs met as an adult.
” I had to start lying more, I became more shady and secretive so I could see friends, I triangulated”
And then got called narcissistic for doing them….
And we believed them….
Thanks Doctor Ramani
I have discovered that the unhealthy strategies I learned to use in order to survive in my past relationship, have carried over into newer relationships. I have to be very cognizant of how I relate with new people in my life. Old habits die hard after decades of living in a toxic relationship.
Brilliant. In the context of self-protection, Desperation Triangulation is another one of those behaviors we should not kick ourselves about. It’s an unhealthy behavior done out of desperation, and narcissistic relationships are definitely desperate, and it can be unlearned. BTW, you look really pretty, Dr. Ramani.
I had to do this with my parents, tell my mom what I needed for her to ask my dad. Yes, it does not feel good, it is about surviving these relationships. Thank you Dr. Ramani for this very interesting and validating video. Also, i am loving your healing program. Thank you❤❤❤
I’m just trying to be ok with being “the villain” when I actually put up boundaries.
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Narcissists force us to adopt some of their behaviors and way of thinking (to a certain extent) to adapt to their own way of functioning and managing relationships, because they won’t adapt to us. And then they reproach us these behaviors. The difference between them and us is how our empathy and moral compas drive us.
I learned to lie to my narc partner, and that was totally out of character for me. He was massively dishonest with me and tried to destroy me, so I gave myself permission to fight fire with fire. Eff him.
Yes, I found myself bending moral rules I always upheld. lost friends over, was given the name “prude” for as a teen. Yet, here I am 50 years old and telling little white lies so I could sneak out of the house to . . . visit my mother. Literally
Triangulation is one of the cruelest games narcissists play — they subtly bring in a third person (real or imagined) to make you feel insecure and compete for their attention. It often begins right when the devaluing phase kicks in.
During the love bombing stage, you feel like the center of their world. But then the tone shifts they’re suddenly distant, distracted, cold. Maybe they stop texting as much, sex drops off, they’re harder to please, or they start criticizing you over little things. And worst of all, they might mention “someone else” — a coworker, an ex, even a friend — who seems to be everything you’re not. That’s triangulation. It’s not an accident. It’s a tactic to control you and boost their ego.
You’ll feel the shift deep in your gut. You’ll try to rationalize it, but don’t. That feeling is the truth trying to get through to you.
Silent treatments increase. Arguments become twisted. You feel like you’re always the problem. They gaslight you, then “make up” just enough to keep you hooked. Meanwhile, they might already be grooming new supply behind your back.
Eventually, you’re no longer the perfect fantasy partner in their mind. You’re now a puppet to control, until they discard you.
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Everything you say is 100% truth.
I didn’t need a private investigator. The Nex made it really easy to catch him. The best thing I put my money into was getting a divorce
I did that, with my sisters. I was the primary caretaker of our elderly mother, keeping her in her house, etc., while one of my sisters, the one that was retired, financially ok, lived an easy-to-drive 15 minutes away, with no kids, no grandkids, no partner, but with a dozen cats, was not volunteering to help me out on some kind of a Schedule. She was in “stop over” mode, rolling in when she felt like it. One day she’d pull up at 3:30, the next 4:45, maybe 7:00, maybe 5:30, depending. Depending entirely on how her day was going. Some days not at all. Never any kind of heads-up or notice. That was a bridge too far. Then the first thing she’d do upon entering the kitchen was pour herself a drink, sit down, and start talking about herself! She’d stay until she felt like leaving. She’d do a few things that she thought she would do, have the dinner, that I prepared, with our mother and that she microwaved, watch CNN, like that, and call it a day.
I was there 24/7 and exhausted, but knew exactly what her response would be if I asked her to, you know, do her fair share. So when my other sister would visit (2 or 3 times a year, from 300 miles away) I’d use her as an intermediary to present my ideas for improving the situation. I asked “the good sister” from the North to pitch my plan of a Scheduled week where the local uncooperative sister would top by 5 days week, from 2 or 3 in the afternoon until 7 or 8 at night, depending on the season, with me getting a “vacation” on Saturdays from noon to 8:00 p.m. The Good Sister, who was on good terms with the local self centered sister because she would listen to her, hold her psychological hand for hours — hours at a time — over wine of course, over late night sessions when in town, said OK.” The Good Sister presented my plan — and it was accepted, after first being dismissed out of hand as unnecessary. But the Good Sister pressed on and convinced her. A month later my local sister presented my plan to me as if it were Her plan, and of course never mentioning that the Good Sister from the North had had anything to do with it. But I played along with her deception because I got . . . a schedule.
Of course I continued to set my sister up, having the house all ready in every way for her when she arrived. And the schedule held for about a year, until she decided she “needed a break.” So we went to 4 days a week for her. And that lasted about a year, until — and by now our mother was in a wheelchair — she needed more or a break, and wanted to go to 3 days. And the above is a much abbreviated version of the dance I had to do to keep such a person at least partially on board when it came to doing the minimum. Well, there it was. Our mother died. And the night we got back from the funeral home, the three of us — my two sisters and myself — were in the kitchen, and, “naturally,” the attention was on the uncooperative one. She was sitting, the good sister and I were standing near her, and she actually said, unprompted by anyone, that “I don’t feel guilty at all. All I feel is sorry for myself.” I couldn’t believe it, and yet of course, I could, coming from her. I said nothing, disgusted, and went upstairs, to the third floor. Even the good sister couldn’t take it, and she retreated to her old room on the second floor. And that’s how it ended the day we got back from the funeral home: the three siblings on three different floors. True (& sad) and a much abbreviated story.
I started following her many years ago . She is right about it all. Please listen. 3 years ago after finally getting away. Building a wonderful life for myself, I had a series of severe strokes from my blood pressure jumping and falling drastically . It left me seriously paralyzed and disabled. The conly way I could get of the hospital was if he would sign to care for me. Fat chance. Now it is worse and I can’t get away to not fight not keep my mouth shut. It’s an ever ending battle that will do anything and everything to survive. You are the only one who regret your actions they have no effect on them. The toll it takes on your health and on your soul. Can’t be fixed. Your broken heat can’t be healed by stooping to their level. I tried everything and more but he’ll never care about me and can’t make him.
18 years… I’m not sure of my own sanity and am to the point of doing something I do not want to. Why do I care? My integrity my obedience toGod.
I did that just yesterday when I needed help and was afraid to ask the narcissistic person. I gave too much info to a third person, hoping they would respond to my need. They didn’t, and I had to ask the narcissistic person directly. I got the help but not without the prolonged drama. I knew what I did and felt badly I used that approach. I’m glad to hear it is “thing” in these relationships.
My mother only respects male input & discredits women! Went NO contact! Found MY peace! ☮️
Ha ha. I used to do that all the time with my dad. In the nursing home my dad thought my suggestions were controlling, but if his nurse suggested it, he was on task.
My focus was rock solid.
6:02 There is one significant difference between the triangulation the narcissist does and the the type the survivor does: the narcissist is triangulating for selfish reasons, the survivor is often doing it for the common good. No obligation to feel icky!
This video says a lot, 4 years ago, I divorced a narcissist who consistently cheated on me, It took me over a year to get over her. I got my passport and travelled and had so much time to my self, and then I thought i was ready for love again. I was totally wrong, I doubted everything she did (my new partner) and it cost me the relationship. It is a sad world we live in, and i must say, to whomever is reading this, please heal before getting into a new relationship, so you do not end up hurting yourself and your partner, we owe ourselves love and sincerity in this cold world.
This is my first time commenting on videos, I do love scrolling past comments, sometimes you learn a thing or two, I totally understand what you went through, trust me I do, I experienced worse, I wish i could explain every bit of what happened but it will take days, but the good thing is, I never stopped, i kept fighting and I got him back.
Wow, this is inspirational, I am so sorry about your experience, how did you cope and does the pain ever go away?
It is always tough at first, but the pain, does go away if you are ready to face it head on. If you still love your partner, put your ego aside and do not listen to people who have no idea what you are going through. A friend referred me to a spiritual counsellor, It is something i never tried before, but it turned out to be a revelation and a blessing, I was able to win the love of my life back with the help of a spiritual counsellor.
A spiritual counsellor? first time i have heard about a spiritual counsellor, I saw a shrink for a couple of weeks, but I wasn’t getting any better emotionally and mentally. Do you think this counsellor could help? how do i get in touch? can i watch his or her videos? how does it work?
Her name is Suzanne Ann Walters, and she is a great spiritual counsellor.